‘You’re not listening to the science’: Pebble Mine fight aired at US House hearing

Alannah Hurley, center in red, asked Congress to intervene to block the Pebble Mine. Pebble CEO Tom Collier, left wearing glasses, was the only witness who supported the mine. (Photo by Liz Ruskin/Alaska Public Media)

For Alaskans opposed to the Pebble Mine, a hearing in the U.S. House of Representatives Wednesday was an opportunity to raise the issue on a national stage, and to ask Congress to stop the proposed gold and copper mine upstream from Bristol Bay.

But Alaska Congressman Don Young made it clear he didn’t think much of the hearing. He said he’s neither for nor against the mine, but he believes in science-based decision-making.

He looked across the room at the seven people at the witness table and complained that not one of them was a scientist.

Republican Congressman Don Young at the Egan Center on election night. Young has a large lead over his opponent, independent Alyse Galvin. (Photo by Zachariah Hughes, Alaska Public Media)
Republican Congressman Don Young at the Egan Center in Anchorage on election night in 2018. (Photo by Zachariah Hughes/Alaska Public Media)

“You’re not listening to the science,” Young said. “You’re saying a lot of ‘what-ifs.’ Can and cannot. Should we or shouldn’t we. And this committee has a responsibility to review those that are directly involved, not those that may be affected about it. It’s about science.”

At the witness table, Richard Borden repressed an urge to raise his hand.

“I’m a geologist and environmental scientist and manager with over 30 years of experience in the mining and consulting industries,” Borden testified minutes later, “including 23 years with Rio Tinto.”

As an employee of a multinational mining giant, Borden worked on permits for mines all over the world. But Borden proved to be a compelling witness against the Pebble project.

He told the committee it would take at least $40 million a year to treat the water flow from the mine site, and he said the obligation would continue long after the mine closed, maybe in perpetuity.

“There’s mines in Spain that that the Romans mined that are still producing acid-rock drainage,” he said. “So these problems can persist into the post-historical period, if you will.”

By Borden’s calculations, the smaller version of a mine that Pebble is now pressing for would lose billions of dollars. He said it’s a Trojan horse — a little mine that will have to be vastly expanded later for the investment to pencil out.

The hearing produced sparks and several impassioned speeches, but no specific legislation.

Pebble CEO Tom Collier waits to testify at a U.S. House hearing. (Photo by Liz Ruskin/APRN)
Pebble CEO Tom Collier, left, waits to testify at a U.S. House of Representatives hearing in 2015. (Photo by Liz Ruskin/Alaska Public Media)

Pebble CEO Tom Collier was the only witness for the mine. He insists the smaller mine is safe and financially viable. Rep. Peter DeFazio, who chairs the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, challenged him on that.

“I have a question Mr. Collier: Have you submitted a document on this much smaller mine showing it’s financially viable to the (Army) Corps of Engineers? … Yes or no?” he asked.

“No, but if the mine’s not financially viable —” Collier said, before DeFazio cut him off.

“Sir, I asked you, ‘Yes or no?’” DeFazio shouted. “You answered, ‘No.’”

Later, Collier said the project would have to put up a bond to cover its obligations. As for the finances: “If it’s not financially viable, it’s not going to be built,” Collier said. “And if it’s not going to be built, what the hell are we doing here today?”

Collier also passionately denied allegations made this week by an environmental group that people associated with Pebble’s parent corporation used insider information to buy company stock at an opportune moment this summer.

“There’s no factual basis whatsoever for that claim,” he said.

Alannah Hurley, executive director of United Tribes of Bristol Bay, was one of the anti-mine witnesses.

“If Pebble is developed, there is no doubt it will forever change who I am, who my people are, where I come from,” she said. “And it will rob our children’s children of their right to continue being Native people as we have for thousands of years in Bristol Bay.”

Collier tilted back in his chair and looked at the ceiling as Hurley spoke. She ended with a plea.

“I’m just so thankful that we are being heard, because the (Army) Corps is not listening,” Hurley said. “They have proved they are not going to listen, and we really need Congress to intervene and help the people of Bristol Bay.”

Clark's Point set-netter Alannah Hurley talks to Board of Fisheries chair Tom Kluberton about her proposal, which would have allowed setnetters to extend their nets to recoup some fishing time that has been lost as the mudflats fill in there. The board formed a committee to help develop guidelines for addressing coastal change, rather than taking action on that proposal or another that discussed set-net site boundaries. (Photo by Molly Dischner/KDLG)
Alannah Hurley, left, talks to Alaska Board of Fisheries chair Tom Kluberton in 2015. (Photo by Molly Dischner/KDLG)

DeFazio, an Oregon Democrat, chairs a committee with jurisdiction over the Army Corps of Engineers. He wants to help the mine opponents.

“I’m not certain what legislative path we could take,” he said. “What I first want is a proper review and a proper comment period, and I don’t believe the Corps is doing either of those things. And I’m going to push them very hard to push back, even if Donald Trump is pushing on the other side.”

David Hobbie, Alaska regulatory chief for the Army Corps, said he’s heard accusations that the Trump administration has issued some kind of mandate, but he said he is under no orders to grant a permit.

“I have not heard anything from anyone in the administration telling me, or even asking me, to do something different (or) special,” he said Wednesday, during a monthly call to update reporters about the permit application.

Hobbie said the Army Corps is working through agency comments on the draft environmental report for the mine and expects to have a preliminary final impact statement in January.

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